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Are $30-40 bottles hurting the industry?


read 2314 times | 61 replies | posted 10/21/2009 7:45:20 PM
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after4ever 2776:126
Sounds like some people around here could probably use a beer right about now. excited 10/22/2009 5:13:04 PM

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Cletus 5057:175
Originally posted by after4ever
Sounds like some people around here could probably use a beer right about now. excited


Already on it. wink
10/22/2009 5:20:29 PM

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cquiroga 370:11
Originally posted by Cletus
No more so than your prior condescending posts and irrelevant tangents, I presume.


Dude, it’s the internet. Sarcasm is the language of choice. I can make silly little jabs and continue to post on the subject in question without resorting to namecalling, or taking any of this personally. But I’m a total nerd about all of this, and I love debating and discussing ALL the various facets of this silly hobby of ours.

What did I say that was irrelevant? The exact prices of beers are an important part of the discussion, because they’re an important part of the decision-making process that we as individuals consider when we decide whether or not to purchase a specific beer we see on the shelf, or (more importantly) to RE-purchase it again and again. And that’s what drives the whole damn industry. But (speaking for myself only) I think there’s a huge difference in what beers I would consider purchasing repeatedly and frequently if they were $10 for a 750 mL bottle (a lot) versus $18 (not very many) versus $25 (very, very few) versus $40 (almost none) versus $100+ (pretty much zero). I would say at each of those price points that there are different factors at play to differing degrees of influence, and the specific qualities of the beers that cost each of those amounts are a huge influence for anyone with an interest in more than just the "prestige" of drinking expensive beers. So you HAVE to talk about specific beers, and specific costs.

In all of this talk, I’m assuming you’re talking about hurting the industry ECONOMICALLY, which you still haven’t really confirmed. I still don’t understand the mechanics that you’re suggesting are in play when expensive bottles of beer are "hurting the industry." I am seriously curious and hopeful that you can explain a little more thoroughly what exactly you mean by "hurting the industry," and I guess I’ll just leave this discussion until something like that comes up.
10/22/2009 5:21:48 PM

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cquiroga 370:11
And yeah, I’mma grab a beer right about now too. . .. A cheap one. 10/22/2009 5:22:24 PM

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Cletus 5057:175
Originally posted by cquiroga

In all of this talk, I’m assuming you’re talking about hurting the industry ECONOMICALLY, which you still haven’t really confirmed. I still don’t understand the mechanics that you’re suggesting are in play when expensive bottles of beer are "hurting the industry." I am seriously curious and hopeful that you can explain a little more thoroughly what exactly you mean by "hurting the industry," and I guess I’ll just leave this discussion until something like that comes up.


Um confused

Several things:

--Are the fact that craft beer prices in general are rising at a much faster rate than the rate of inflation going to result in another craft beer die off like we witnessed in the late 80s and early 90s? We’ve already seen it happen in other industries.

--With prices reaching the cost of a good bottle of wine, are craft breweries starting to price their core audience right out? I can’t speak for the entire world here, but I know that locally, a LOT of my felow beer geek friends have stopped buying new beer and reverted back to cheaper staple beers like Orval and Chimay.

--With beer that is intended to be consumed relatively fresh sitting on the shelves, and likely a shadow of what they tasted like fresh are people buying these for the first time being turned off to craft beer?

--Why is someone going to buy a $25 bottle of witbier when Hoegaarden is around, and you can buy 2-3 sixers for the same price?

--Is the price spike making it more difficult for smaller craft breweries to establish themselves? The amount of money anyone has to spend on beer is finite, whether we’re talking about the consumer, the retailer or the distributor. Are the distributors and retailers going to scrutinize new brewers unjustly, dooming them to close shop as breweries like Dogfish Head and Brewdog push the next overpriced beer onto the market?


That’s not clear enough for you? What are you looking for? hmmm...
10/22/2009 5:32:04 PM

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STLWill 0:0
Originally posted by SoLan
Doesjel is $8.99 / 375ml herehmmm...



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I’ve never seen it over $11.99.
10/22/2009 6:42:21 PM

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cquiroga 370:11
Originally posted by Cletus
Um confused

Several things:

--Are the fact that craft beer prices in general are rising at a much faster rate than the rate of inflation going to result in another craft beer die off like we witnessed in the late 80s and early 90s? We’ve already seen it happen in other industries.

--With prices reaching the cost of a good bottle of wine, are craft breweries starting to price their core audience right out? I can’t speak for the entire world here, but I know that locally, a LOT of my felow beer geek friends have stopped buying new beer and reverted back to cheaper staple beers like Orval and Chimay.

--With beer that is intended to be consumed relatively fresh sitting on the shelves, and likely a shadow of what they tasted like fresh are people buying these for the first time being turned off to craft beer?

--Why is someone going to buy a $25 bottle of witbier when Hoegaarden is around, and you can buy 2-3 sixers for the same price?

--Is the price spike making it more difficult for smaller craft breweries to establish themselves? The amount of money anyone has to spend on beer is finite, whether we’re talking about the consumer, the retailer or the distributor. Are the distributors and retailers going to scrutinize new brewers unjustly, dooming them to close shop as breweries like Dogfish Head and Brewdog push the next overpriced beer onto the market?


That’s not clear enough for you? What are you looking for? hmmm...


Yeah, I would think it was obvious that I posted that last message before I saw that you had posted yours, and that I wrote it while you were probably posting yours. But I’m probably *just* stupid enough to keep this conversation going anyway, with a thorough response to each and every one of your questions at some point tomorrow-- after a good night’s rest. Had a couple of great beers tonight to distract me from the "din" here. Here’s hoping a few hours of sleep grants me a little better judgment. . .
10/22/2009 11:44:09 PM

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beastiefan2k 1603:108
a (pricey) bar in NYC is charging $18 for a cask pour of t’Smisje BBBourgondier recently, not a large pour either. Their Cigar City Maduro for $9 for 16ozs seemed like a steal. 10/23/2009 12:06:07 AM

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AgentSteve 1376:62
In a word; Yes. Look at how many beers were $12-15 a couple years ago that are now at or over $30. Personally, I simply don’t buy as much, if any. Too much demand = higher prices. Not enough demand = realistic prices. Truth is, developing a taste for barrel aged beers has lead me back to some very nice Cabernet at under $10 a bottle and easilly accessible. Plus, I can enjoy a bottle of wine with my wife. Beer, she passes on. Women. That’s a whole nother thread!!confused (Well, at least most women.) 10/23/2009 12:16:21 AM

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steview 902:15
I haven’t read through the whole thread, but I hope to GOD that nobody brought up economic theories... You guys know that we humans are not always rational in our purchases, right? Anyhoo. 10/23/2009 12:44:28 AM

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