New York drinks Gueuze

Originally posted by KimJohansen

Originally posted by MaxxDaddy

Originally posted by KimJohansen
Any american that knows about Belgian pure lambic? I’m stunned. Priceless!

Snap!

Yeah - that came out quite harsh, it just amazes me every time experienced people mix up unblended and blended lambic.

It is important to note that gueuze has a ton of variability batch to batch and even bottle to bottle, and the same experiment repeated in a year would likely yield very different results. We plan to repeat it to confirm.

Originally posted by puzzl
We rated on a Ratebeer 5 point scale, but realized towards the end that it gave people who used a wider range of scores more clout in the results, so at the end we used a basic ranking, 1-9, each number is used once.

Originally posted by puzzl

Originally posted by KimJohansen

Originally posted by MaxxDaddy

Originally posted by KimJohansen
Any american that knows about Belgian pure lambic? I’m stunned. Priceless!

Snap!

Yeah - that came out quite harsh, it just amazes me every time experienced people mix up unblended and blended lambic.

huh?

Originally posted by PilsnerPeter

Originally posted by j12601
Nice. I’m bummed I couldn’t make this one (Ok, in theory I could have, but it would have involved a hell of a lot of effort to get down there on a Monday night and be in a good condition to get back). Still, looks like a lot of fun.

But nothing was a rating...

Originally posted by j12601

Originally posted by PilsnerPeter

Originally posted by j12601
Nice. I’m bummed I couldn’t make this one (Ok, in theory I could have, but it would have involved a hell of a lot of effort to get down there on a Monday night and be in a good condition to get back). Still, looks like a lot of fun.

But nothing was a rating...

A couple of them might have been for me, I’d have to check. I also like the idea of being able to put in quite unbiased ratings without any subliminal associations with the beer in question coming into the equation.

Originally posted by beastiefan2k
Cool, super jealous of you guys.

As puzzl mentioned this isn’t the end all and be all of what may be the best gueuze.

It is important to note that gueuze has a ton of variability batch to batch and even bottle to bottle, and the same experiment repeated in a year would likely yield very different results. We plan to repeat it to confirm.

I just wanted to add that order of bees drank could have had an effect, how each rater was feeling that day, exactly how much discussion was going on as you were drinking the beers and whether that swayed raters’ opinions, etc. But I am glad you guys will continue this type of tasting.

What I really wonder if there was even a difference b/w the gueuzes.

Originally posted by puzzl
We rated on a Ratebeer 5 point scale, but realized towards the end that it gave people who used a wider range of scores more clout in the results, so at the end we used a basic ranking, 1-9, each number is used once.

The problem with the 1-9 system is that there is no measure of the magnitude of difference b/w the beers. For example, 1 an 2 could be really close together but the difference between 3 and 4 is drastic.

If we were able to standardize the RB scores and then average them out we may find that at the end all the beers (or at least some) were not significantly different. I actually find this to be true for my own ratings. A large majority of my gueuze ratings fall b/w 3.9 and 4.1 and if I cut out the appearance score it is probably even less of a difference. At that point I am probably assign higher scores based on rarity, company, environment, etc and not actual valence of the flavor, aroma, and mouthfeel. Basically, I like gueuze in most forms and any difference in ratings may be not be from that actual beer.

I wonder if you could post the RB scores for each rater then someone may volunteer to standardized those scores. Then we could averaged across raters. That may change the outcome.

Again, awesome stuff guys

Originally posted by JoeMcPhee
I’ve got the raw scores here both ways (scores and rankings). I’m going to write it up with a few photos on my blog. I’ll post over here, once it’s done.