New York drinks Gueuze

Originally posted by cquiroga
we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004.

Originally posted by Gazza

Originally posted by cquiroga
we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004.

Um... what’s the problem with old gueuze? The older the better (up to a certain point) and 2004 3F is a stonker; been drinking them for a few years and, if anything, it’s got a good 5 years before it peaks yet.

To say "unfortunately" before 3F 04 says to me you don’t grasp the whole lambic thing...

Originally posted by eclectic

Originally posted by puzzl
We would’ve loved to pour them all at once, however rounding up 45 pieces of good, matching glassware is near impossible.

ikea sells 6 packs of glasses perfect for this purpose for $2-5 a pack(depending on if you want wine glasses or smaller tasting style glasses)

I personally have a stock of the cheap $2/6pack ones, and while they may not be the ideal shape, they are the perfect size and durability for tastings, blind or not.. I use them for normal tastings when I don’t want to risk having my nice glassware broken

Originally posted by Gazza

Originally posted by cquiroga
we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004.

Um... what’s the problem with old gueuze? The older the better (up to a certain point) and 2004 3F is a stonker; been drinking them for a few years and, if anything, it’s got a good 5 years before it peaks yet.

To say "unfortunately" before 3F 04 says to me you don’t grasp the whole lambic thing...

Originally posted by JoeMcPhee

Originally posted by eclectic

Originally posted by puzzl
We would’ve loved to pour them all at once, however rounding up 45 pieces of good, matching glassware is near impossible.

ikea sells 6 packs of glasses perfect for this purpose for $2-5 a pack(depending on if you want wine glasses or smaller tasting style glasses)

I personally have a stock of the cheap $2/6pack ones, and while they may not be the ideal shape, they are the perfect size and durability for tastings, blind or not.. I use them for normal tastings when I don’t want to risk having my nice glassware broken

New York apartments aren’t conducive to storing tons of glassware... my wife gets pissed enough about the stuff I have.

Originally posted by Gazza

Originally posted by cquiroga
we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004.

Um... what’s the problem with old gueuze? The older the better (up to a certain point) and 2004 3F is a stonker; been drinking them for a few years and, if anything, it’s got a good 5 years before it peaks yet.

To say "unfortunately" before 3F 04 says to me you don’t grasp the whole lambic thing...

Originally posted by MesandSim

Originally posted by puzzl
Here are the results if all scores (RB scores) are standardized from 0 to 1 and then average:

3F: 0.78263607737292
lindemans: 0.77085020242915
boon: 0.69653621232569
hanssens: 0.68119658119658
cantillon: 0.66491228070175
girardin: 0.64026090868196
st louis: 0.61617183985605
oud beersel:0.56399010346379
50N4E: 0


Relatively close to just averaging RB scores (3F/Lindemans swap, Boon/Hanssens swap, St Louis moves down two), and almost the exact same as the original posted results using the 1-9 rankings.

Here is a link to view/edit the data, please don’t change anything on there unless there are mistakes, if you want to mess around with more data just populate some new fields.

The only other thing I can think of to try would be tossing the 50N scores entirely because they continue to skew the data, unfortunately I don’t know how to do a series thing in a spreadsheet where one reference scales and others dont.

In case anyone is curious, the formula to scale to a 0 to 1 score is:
=(SCORE - MIN) * (1 / (MAX - MIN)) where MIN and MAX are the minimum/maximum scores of the rater.

Bloody hell Andy! Are your numbers accurate enought there?

Originally posted by cquiroga
Not to be outdone by you New Yorkers, this is what we here in California are planning on tasting tomorrow night:

- St. Louis Fond Tradition
- Girardin Black Label
- Boon Oude Geuze
- Oud Beersel
- Hanssens
- Cantillon Classic
- Drie Fonteinen
- Lindemans Cuvee Rene

- maybe even Boon Marriage Parfait

. . . and we’ll probably also throw in a ringer or two.

We plan to do a structured blind tasting just like you had, and we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004. We’ll have 2-ounce pours from standardized glassware and rate them to RB scoring standards and also use the "ranking" system you guys used.

And it’s worth noting (only because I’m super-nerdy about this kind of stuff) that while I’ll probably insist that we do the "two-by-two" tastings like you guys did (i.e. two at a time), a couple of guys have already requested that we pour ALL of the beers so they can compare and contrast across the line-up any which way they can. (I like doing this as well, especially for the "ranking" method of evaluation.) So we’ll probably have all of the beers poured before we’re completely finished with ANY of them, but we’ll start out by pouring two at a time for the initial impressions.

I’m really looking forward to this. Should be interesting to see how the results compare.

Originally posted by Gazza

Originally posted by cquiroga
we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004.

Um... what’s the problem with old gueuze? The older the better (up to a certain point) and 2004 3F is a stonker; been drinking them for a few years and, if anything, it’s got a good 5 years before it peaks yet.

To say "unfortunately" before 3F 04 says to me you don’t grasp the whole lambic thing...

Originally posted by MesandSim

Originally posted by Gazza

Originally posted by cquiroga
we’re getting the bottles as fresh as we can, but unfortunately the only Drie Fonteinen we’ve got is from 2004.

Um... what’s the problem with old gueuze? The older the better (up to a certain point) and 2004 3F is a stonker; been drinking them for a few years and, if anything, it’s got a good 5 years before it peaks yet.

To say "unfortunately" before 3F 04 says to me you don’t grasp the whole lambic thing...

I think you may have missed a touch of sarcasm there mate.