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Message imdownthepub P beers 26094 º places 2112 º 01:32 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by joet Originally posted by SarkyNorthener UK refuses to recognise Independence. Gibraltar may come into negotiation here? In that case, who's up for merging the US with England? That's the way it was but the US decided to go their own way.
Message The_Osprey beers 10591 º places 178 º 03:00 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by danlo Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are listed separately on ratebeer... that's forward planning If you follow that reasoning through, you missed out England
Message omhper P beers 40262 º places 332 º 07:09 Sat 10/28/2017 We have a policy foe this. If Catalonia gets universally recognized we will take immediate action, as done with South Sudan and after the re-structuring of Netherlands Antilles. If it becomes de facto independent, but not widely recognized we will put it on hold. If the situation is maintained over several years, and it becomes apparently separated from Spain from a travellers point of view, we May list it based on our rules for inclusion of disputed territories, similar to for instance Western Sahara and Abkhazia. At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk. Gibraltar has nothing do with this discussion. They are included based on being considered a geographically separated dependency, same as French Guiana, Guam etc.) (As we already separate UK this would probably cause headache anyway...)

Message SarkyNorthener beers 5200 º places 142 º 08:39 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by omhper We have a policy foe this. If Catalonia gets universally recognized we will take immediate action, as done with South Sudan and after the re-structuring of Netherlands Antilles. If it becomes de facto independent, but not widely recognized we will put it on hold. If the situation is maintained over several years, and it becomes apparently separated from Spain from a travellers point of view, we May list it based on our rules for inclusion of disputed territories, similar to for instance Western Sahara and Abkhazia. At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk. Gibraltar has nothing do with this discussion. They are included based on being considered a geographically separated dependency, same as French Guiana, Guam etc.) (As we already separate UK this would probably cause headache anyway...) I am not talking about Gibraltor in regards to Ratebeer, but I imagine it will be used as a bargaining tool by the UK government in relation to Catalonias independence.
Message ebone1988 beers 2504 º places 24 º 09:03 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by imdownthepub Originally posted by joet Originally posted by SarkyNorthener UK refuses to recognise Independence. Gibraltar may come into negotiation here? In that case, who's up for merging the US with England? That's the way it was but the US decided to go their own way.
Message teddybeer P beers 5767 º places 208 º 14:52 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by omhper (As we already separate UK this would probably cause headache anyway...)
Message adamnowek beers 7151 º places 117 º 15:06 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by omhper At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk. That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo.

Message omhper P beers 40262 º places 332 º 15:49 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by adamnowek Originally posted by omhper At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk. That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo. No. Kosovo has wide recognition. Catalonia still has not. Should that change, we act. We just draw the map, based from a thirsty travellers perspective. On a personal plane, I am just hoping for a peaceful resolution whatever the outcome, and am much looking forward to a future visit to the the famous beer bars in Barcelona.
Message teddybeer P beers 5767 º places 208 º 16:22 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by omhper Originally posted by adamnowek Originally posted by omhper At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk. That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo. No. Kosovo has wide recognition. Catalonia still has not. Should that change, we act. We just draw the map, based from a thirsty travellers perspective. On a personal plane, I am just hoping for a peaceful resolution whatever the outcome, and am much looking forward to a future visit to the the famous beer bars in Barcelona. Of course, Kosovo, as far as I know, has the recognition of the States and the most important countries from European Union. The main authorities around the world don't support Catalonian independence... up to now...
Message adamnowek beers 7151 º places 117 º 16:34 Sat 10/28/2017 Originally posted by omhper Originally posted by adamnowek Originally posted by omhper At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk. That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo. No. Kosovo has wide recognition. Catalonia still has not. Should that change, we act. We just draw the map, based from a thirsty travellers perspective. On a personal plane, I am just hoping for a peaceful resolution whatever the outcome, and am much looking forward to a future visit to the the famous beer bars in Barcelona. Kosovo does not have wide recognition (57% of UN member states and enough countries in the European Union to prevent them from becoming a member in the foreseeable future) and would require a generation’s-worth of political and societal change (in Serbia) to get there. But I’m glad that RB’s approach to adding new countries is basically the same as Wikitravel’s. If it results in a visible change in entry procedures, then it should be a new territory on the map (and as with any other Declaration of Independence, these things take time; as of now, there are no border controls that would suggest that you are entering a non-Schengen territory under the jurisdiction of a state that is not Spain). That’s why Crimea and Novorossiya are in their own category, as no other territories like them really exist.