Originally posted by Sigmund Exactly. But it certainly seems to be the case that, whilst they were called Pale Ale and labelled as such in bottle by the brewers, the very same beers came to be known as Bitter on draught in the pubs by customers - no point of sale badging or branding for draught beers back then. So in the UK, until pretty recently at least - when Pale Ale tended to fall out of use here in favour of Bitter - it appears that Bitter and Pale Ale from a particular brewery were exactly the same, making having two different styles for them rather redundant. Whether English Pale Ale has evolved into something different in the US is beyond my experience. |
Originally posted by ebone1988 Of course, we have only one ESB here in the UK as Fullers has the rights to the name sewn up tight. We have beers labelled as Strong Bitters, or Special Bitters, or whatever. But ESB means Fullers ESB. Maybe another example of American monikers being heavily influenced by a single beer? |
Originally posted by chriso Good question. Old Speckled Hen comes here as an ESB, which is a shame because a friend of mine who went to St Andrews loved the cask version and hates it in a bottle. Foreign stouts fall in a similar category. |
Hopshackle Extra Special Bitter. From the UK, right? |
Originally posted by Bill Becker The trademark is on ESB, not Extra Special Bitter. |
Originally posted by chriso I KNEW you were going to say that! I think of nothing but Fuller's when I see ESB. |
English Pale Ale = bottled version of a bitter |
Just figured I’d post official description from RateBeer for reference. |
Originally posted by Jow I'd be curious to get a US take (and maybe a European one) on this. That description certainly captures the UK perspective. If the beers from which EPAs drew inspiration were simply bottled Bitters (ignoring subdivisions based primarily on alcohol content) have they evolved into something different in the US, and possibly elsewhere? If so what are the characteristics that distinguish them, apart from the nomenclature? If there's nothing concrete then surely Bitter or Premum Bitter/ESB and English Pale Ale are just synonyms and not separate styles? |
If so what are the characteristics that distinguish them, apart from the nomenclature?Many of them are like an English beer of a similar flavour profile but with 0.5 - 1 % higher ABV. eg Drinks much like an ordinary bitter but is 5%. |
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