How to improve the cider part of the database?

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Message Maakun beers 10309 º places 319 º 09:30 Tue 10/31/2017 There seems to be some confusion sometimes in the cider part of our database. For example Écusson/CCLF. There's this cidery on Ratebeer, but neither the website nor email exist, the address seems to be a small office somewhere in Paris: https://www.ratebeer.com/brewers/cidreries-du-calvados-la-fermiere-cclf/4598/ Then there's these two which just seem to be two plants owned by CCLF: https://www.ratebeer.com/brewers/cclf-messac/11852/ https://www.ratebeer.com/brewers/cclf-livarot/11418/ They all have different entries, but a lot seem to be the same. For example, I don't think there's actually ciders called Ecusson, they're all called Écusson though it's not always mentioned on the front of the label. It's a bit hard as lots of the entries don't have pictures, but from what I can find the labels look the same. There's a few others where there seem to be the same ciders put under different producers/names. I'm not sure if there's a cider admin? I've been adding a bunch to the database myself but it's sometimes quite hard and I understand the dificulty in trying to validate the info. If there's anything we can do to help I'd also like to know!
Message SinH4 P beers 15467 º places 416 º 09:40 Tue 10/31/2017 Originally posted by Maakun For example, I don't think there's actually ciders called Ecusson, they're all called Écusson though it's not always mentioned on the front of the label. The reason for this is that accents on uppercase letters are often dropped in French: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_des_majuscules_en_francais#Accentuation_des_majuscules_et_des_capitales
Message Maakun beers 10309 º places 319 º 09:46 Tue 10/31/2017 Yeah I know (my girlfriend is called Élodie/Elodie), but now it seems that there's a difference in our database between Écusson Brut and Ecusson Brut that probably isn't there.
Message SinH4 P beers 15467 º places 416 º 13:12 Tue 10/31/2017 Originally posted by Maakun Yeah I know (my girlfriend is called Élodie/Elodie), but now it seems that there's a difference in our database between Écusson Brut and Ecusson Brut that probably isn't there. Oh, yeah, then you're right.

Message danlo P beers 11298 º places 300 º 13:32 Tue 10/31/2017 On www.ciderexpert.com it has Ecusson as owned by Agrial http://www.agrial.com/en/agrifood/beverage-division/ See the Ecusson brand page: http://www.agrial.com/en/marque/ecusson-1/ In the official product photo it has Écusson on the bottle and Ecusson on the glass! So looks like they themselves are hedging their bets with the name!! It states "Ecusson - "Since 1919, Ecusson has been re-inventing cider through its original creations in its cider-making facility of Livarot, in the heart of Normandy. Its master cider-makers use about 20 varieties of cider apples from Normandy. Ecusson ciders are famous for their subtle blend of sweetness and character."
Message Lowenbrau P beers 5866 º places 432 º 17:05 Tue 10/31/2017 Having more cider drinkers.... When it comes to Asturian cider, it´s a total mess. Most of them were uploaded by Rastacuore years ago, and there´s plenty of inconsistencies regarding cider names, cider mill (llagares) names, nomenclature.... I could do a bit of cleaning, but this would take a lot of time.
Message Maakun beers 10309 º places 319 º 04:22 Wed 11/1/2017 Yeah, it seems for the UK and US it's sort of decent, but for the rest of the world it needs some cleaning and sometimes merging. Again, if help is needed I could track some info down for a few countries including France, but than I need an admin who will make the changes to the database.
Message Inbreak beers 9950 º 07:25 Wed 11/1/2017 Norway should be pretty much on track as well.

Message MacBoost beers 2074 º places 37 º 10:55 Wed 11/1/2017 Didn't we have a top notch French cider admin? What happened to him?
Message TheHOFF43 P beers 2045 º places 169 º 10:55 Wed 11/1/2017 Originally posted by MacBoost Didn't we have a top notch French cider admin? What happened to him? Moved to untappd
Message minutemat P beers 14700 º places 551 º 16:37 Wed 11/1/2017 Yeah those CCLF entries have bugged me for a long time. Lots of merging needs to happen. Similarly for Loic Raison and a few other producers. I offered to tidy these and the UK ciders up a while ago but heard nothing back and the problem remains. I agree that a cider admin would make sense, but i doubt will happen